How two women reclaimed motherhood, sobriety, and identity by confronting addiction, trauma, and emotional inheritance.
This episode centers on the lived experience of two women navigating the intersection of motherhood, addiction, and generational healing. The story unfolds as one of the speakers recounts her journey from substance abuse—including alcohol and drugs—to long-term sobriety, driven by a pivotal moment at her child’s fifth birthday party. The tension between external performance and internal collapse is evident, as she masks her struggles through social drinking while privately battling deep emotional disconnection. Her transformation begins with therapy and accountability, revealing that addiction was never just about the substances—it was about the pain they concealed.
At the heart of the narrative is the psychological unraveling that follows years of unresolved trauma, undiagnosed depression, and emotional abandonment. The speaker’s turning point is not a dramatic overdose or intervention but rather the quiet devastation of missing memories at her son’s party—a symbolic low point that triggers change. Her commitment to sobriety stems from a desire to be present, to model healthy emotional behaviors, and to break free from inherited cycles of dysfunction. Emotional sobriety, rather than just abstinence, becomes the true goal.
This blog also explores the ripple effect of sobriety on parenting. The speaker emphasizes how healing herself has transformed the way she raises her children—no longer reacting with anger, but responding with presence. She speaks to the conscious shift from reactivity to intentional parenting, recognizing when she is being triggered and choosing to engage differently. In doing so, she models emotional regulation, secure attachment, and self-reflection for her children, giving them what she never had.
The second speaker adds further depth by reflecting on her own struggles with drinking and emotional regulation. She shares moments of shame, misunderstanding, and judgment from others—and herself—around her behavior. Ultimately, both women demonstrate that healing is not linear but is deeply tied to relationships, identity, and self-awareness. Together, they show how sobriety isn’t just about giving something up—it’s about reclaiming one’s life and rewriting a legacy.
Meet the Expert
Heather Cairns is a trauma-informed recovery advocate and mother of two who shares her lived expertise in emotional addiction, codependency, and conscious parenting. With nearly a decade of sobriety, her insights go beyond traditional recovery narratives by focusing on the emotional roots of substance abuse. Through her work and storytelling, Heather provides a realistic yet hopeful framework for breaking generational patterns and cultivating emotional literacy in families. Her perspective resonates with high-functioning women and mothers seeking emotional sobriety and identity reinvention.
The Big Idea
Addiction is often the symptom, not the source. The episode confronts a powerful truth: what we call addiction is frequently a strategy for emotional survival. Substance use becomes the shield we use to hide our grief, trauma, and shame. But when left unexamined, those survival strategies create new cycles—especially for our children. The real recovery work begins when we stop numbing the pain and start confronting the stories we’ve inherited and internalized. For many, parenting is not just a responsibility—it becomes a portal to self-healing.
Key Takeaways
- Emotional Rock Bottoms Aren’t Always Loud
True turning points often arise from subtle moments of awareness—like realizing you don’t remember your child’s birthday because of drinking. - Emotional Sobriety Is a Separate Journey
Stopping substance use is one part. The deeper work is learning to sit with discomfort, shame, and self-judgment without escape. - Addiction Is a Legacy Unless Interrupted
Being honest with your kids about family history of addiction can empower them to make conscious choices around substances. - Parenting Is a Recovery Mirror
Children often reflect the unresolved wounds of their parents. Choosing to respond with presence instead of projection is a radical form of cycle-breaking. - Boundaries and Belief Systems Must Be Rewired
Recovery demands a conscious effort to replace inherited patterns with values grounded in self-trust, emotional safety, and truth.
Tools, Strategies, or Frameworks Mentioned
- Therapeutic Boundary Mapping
Heather credits her therapist, Heidi Nunemaker, with helping her recognize blackout drinking patterns and setting emotional boundaries around medication and sobriety. - Generational Pattern Disruption
The phrase “it ran into me” is used to describe the conscious decision to end cycles of familial dysfunction. It reframes personal healing as an act of lineage repair. - Substance Awareness Dialogue with Children
Heather shares how she talks openly with her children about addiction, helping them understand genetic predispositions while empowering informed decision-making. - Hangxiety Reflection Model
Describing post-drinking suicidal ideation as “hangxiety,” Heather normalizes this psychological crash and offers it as a metric for those questioning their own habits.
Final Thoughts
“I didn’t know I was an alcoholic until I stopped drinking.”
Sobriety is not an act of deprivation—it’s an act of becoming. Through raw reflection and humor, Heather and her co-host remind us that healing starts not in shame, but in truth. Whether you’re in recovery, parenting through trauma, or questioning inherited patterns, this story is a call to wake up, speak out, and begin again.
Full Transcript Below
Speaker A 00:00:00.160 - 00:00:11.840 You have the opportunity to be better. Exponentially better, happier, healthier, the best version of you. And the only thing that's getting in your way is you. Speaker B 00:00:16.400 - 00:00:31.550 Hello and welcome to Pissy but Pretty, a show about hindsight, hope, tangents and cuss words. We are your hosts, party trickster turned semi responsible women. I am your host, Heather Cairns and Emily Baggen. Speaker A 00:00:37.070 - 00:00:37.630 Hello. Speaker B 00:00:38.670 - 00:00:42.030 Here we are. What episode are we on? I forget. Speaker A 00:00:42.190 - 00:00:42.870 I don't know. Speaker B 00:00:42.870 - 00:00:46.110 I don't know either. Six, seven. Speaker A 00:00:48.190 - 00:00:50.270 Oops. We meant to say episode eight. Speaker B 00:00:50.350 - 00:00:54.150 They told us in our year seven. Thank you for keeping track for us, Ryguy. Speaker A 00:00:54.150 - 00:00:57.290 Isn't that our lucky number? Doesn't everybody love the number seven? No. Speaker B 00:00:57.290 - 00:00:57.930 Minus 13. Speaker A 00:00:57.930 - 00:00:59.930 I forgot to come out of my mouth. Sorry. Speaker B 00:00:59.930 - 00:01:01.650 Before Taylor Swift made it. Speaker A 00:01:01.650 - 00:01:03.130 What the fuck did you just say? Speaker B 00:01:03.130 - 00:01:03.610 Ew. Speaker A 00:01:03.610 - 00:01:13.050 We started with a Taylor Swift. Whatever. Here we are, episode seven, undiagnosed and ready to cause a ruckus. Speaker B 00:01:14.730 - 00:01:23.370 I am apologizing. I am so tired. Today I have my large coffee and I will be consuming it because I. Speaker A 00:01:23.610 - 00:01:24.410 It's massive. Speaker B 00:01:24.410 - 00:01:29.510 Cannot be held responsible what comes out of my mouth today. I don't even know what's happening. I just. Speaker A 00:01:29.670 - 00:01:38.230 I actually like that better. This is because we do this in the AM And I am not a morning person. I know you are, but I am not. Speaker B 00:01:38.310 - 00:01:45.350 But I just am not a sleeper. That's what makes it more deluxe. I think I'm going through the changes at this point in my life. Speaker A 00:01:46.710 - 00:01:47.190 Puberty. Speaker B 00:01:47.190 - 00:01:49.750 It's happening. Puberty. Yep, it's happening. Speaker A 00:01:49.750 - 00:01:51.270 Your balls are finally dropping. Speaker B 00:01:51.430 - 00:01:51.870 It's. Speaker A 00:01:51.870 - 00:01:52.550 Congratulations. Speaker B 00:01:52.550 - 00:01:55.510 My voice has already gotten low, so, I mean, it's about time. Speaker A 00:01:55.590 - 00:01:57.510 Bet your testicles would be beautiful. Speaker B 00:01:57.790 - 00:01:57.950 Wow. Speaker A 00:01:58.100 - 00:01:58.980 Well, thank you. Speaker B 00:01:59.620 - 00:02:00.420 You're welcome. Speaker A 00:02:01.060 - 00:02:04.020 Today we are talking about rock bottom. Speaker B 00:02:04.580 - 00:02:08.900 Yes. We kind of discussed mine. Fat bottom. Fat bottom jeans. Speaker A 00:02:08.980 - 00:02:10.140 We make the world go round. Speaker B 00:02:10.140 - 00:02:14.660 Yeah. So we talked about mine last time. Speaker A 00:02:15.460 - 00:02:20.660 So sitting on the corner by yourself, alone in the cold, freezing and starving. Speaker B 00:02:21.460 - 00:02:23.060 And nobody would give me change. Speaker A 00:02:25.860 - 00:02:26.980 I had a bowl and everything. Speaker B 00:02:27.060 - 00:02:37.380 Oh, my gosh. Yeah. So, yeah, let's talk about what made you finally decide. What made you decide to put the drugs up. Did we ever talk about that? Speaker A 00:02:37.940 - 00:03:06.690 That? I don't think we did. I don't think we did. I went from the rebound, AKA the cousin who was big into the drugs. He was the person that introduced me, the person I did it with. Codependent. And. And then we were sort of breaking up, going in different directions. It was devastating. I didn't know what I wanted to do with my life. And I met the firefighter who didn't ever, ever, ever do drugs. Speaker B 00:03:06.770 - 00:03:08.369 But you were still sneaking away. Speaker A 00:03:08.530 - 00:03:50.840 I was sneaking away. And every time I would do it, I would get sicker and sicker and sicker. Puking. Gross. It's just drugs aren't cute. It's not cute. So the last time I did anything, I didn't know it was gonna be the last time, which was probably good. It was gone because I was heading to my rock bottom, and I knew something had to change. I knew I was lost. I was foggy. And I think the big pivotal moment was my child. He was turning 5. And I started therapy. I went to. Speaker B 00:03:50.840 - 00:03:52.840 This is for the alcohol, not the drug. Speaker A 00:03:52.840 - 00:04:21.000 For alcohol. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I started therapy because I'm like, I need antidepressants. I have no interest in my son. I was so disconnected. It was just like he was there. But I didn't care. I didn't fucking care. And if you want to really get under my skin, say, I don't care. Because to me, that's so deep, and that means so much. Speaker B 00:04:21.080 - 00:04:22.440 It does. You're right. Speaker A 00:04:22.600 - 00:08:28.680 I didn't care. So I was seeing a psychiatrist. I was seeing an addiction counselor, Ironically picked her before I admitted that there was a problem. And the two of them had talked. And I was, you know, a social drinker is what I told these professionals. But I needed drugs. I needed antidepressants. I needed to feel better. And she was like, you can't do that when you're drinking. If you're drinking and you're trying to feel better, you're sabotaging every single happy thought or every single little happy feeling that you have. If you're drinking, you're not going to get happy. It's a depressant. Obviously. It does stuff to your brain. So the two of them spoke. And then I saw the two of who spoke. My psychiatrist and my therapist. My therapist who I love dearly. Still see her. Heidi. I talked to her on Monday, and she said, say my name. Go for it. So Heidi Nunemaker was integral in saving. Helping me save my life. So she says to me, so you're a social drinker? I said, yeah. I go out and I have a few. And through her questions and process of elimination, I'm a blackout drunk. And she's like, you're not getting any medication until you stop that. We are not going to watch you sabotage yourself. You're going to spin your wheels. And I went, oh, well, that matters. That means something. So that was sort of like in my head. Anyway, fast forward my son's birthday. He was turning 5, Jonah's birthday. And I bought a bottle of Patron. I invited my friends because that's what I did. And I got annihilated. Just annihilated. I don't remember the party. I see the pictures of sweet Joey and his big brown eyes and his little smile. And I'm like, I fucked up. I don't remember. And I drank so much and I purposely avoided him. That was another huge thing. I didn't care. And I avoided him because I was an embarrassment as a mother. I was everything I didn't want to be when I had that baby. So that was it. That was it. I kind of went, okay the next day. Yeah. Looking at the pictures and being like. I don't remember that. And being like, how fucking selfish. You had all your friends over. All of my pictures were of us doing shots in the kitchen and just playing and acting a fool. And then there's these few little ones of the person I brought into this world. And I'm nowhere near him and Rick is taking care of it and the family is there and I'm nowhere to be found. It was that simple. It was that simple. Now, like you and like all people who have struggled with addiction, I had multiple rock bottoms. Multiple. I remember passing the fuck out. And at one point I was on multiple drugs and very, very drunk. And I kind of did a little fainty, fainty sort of thing. And I remember this voice in my head telling me, you have to wake up, you gotta go back, you gotta go back, you gotta wake up. You just took eight years. Eight years are gone. I don't know what that was. And I can't. I get goosebumps still even describing that. But just. It was terrible. Eight years are gone. Eight years are gone. And I'm so scared on my deathbed, I'm going to sit there and be like, I could have lived eight extra. But I lived such an awful life. And I chose to die instead of live for so long that I might have cut this short. That's a terrible feeling. Speaker B 00:08:29.080 - 00:08:38.680 Well, but look where you are now. I remember you talking to me about you would get such bad hangxiety, we call it. Speaker A 00:08:39.000 - 00:08:41.520 Yeah. And like the next four day hangovers. Speaker B 00:08:41.520 - 00:08:56.360 Yeah. And you would get actually, like, suicidal. Which is, I think, as I've like mentioned that to other people. I never had that experience. I would get like down and be like, that's never gonna happen again. And of course it would. Speaker A 00:08:56.680 - 00:08:56.940 But. Speaker B 00:08:57.090 - 00:09:03.730 But, like, you would actually have thoughts of killing yourself because the loathing. Yeah. Speaker A 00:09:03.810 - 00:10:11.760 And obviously suicide is selfish, but when you're in that position, you feel like everybody will be better off. Jonah, my child, you will be better off. I am doing nothing for you. That was. Yeah, that was rough. That got hard. So after that, I hung it up. And I remember about a month later, I went to, I don't know, a little, like, summer ish party. And I said, I haven't had a drink in a month. I got laughed at. And they're like, fuck you. This is not you. You are not stopping the person you laugh for. And it wasn't like I had ever tried it before. It wasn't like I ever told anybody, like, ooh, this is the laugh time. I'm gonna be snorting oxy. This is the last time I'm gonna smoke weed. This is it. The last ecstasy. I never said that, but at that point, I did. I said it and I got laughed at. And I remember being, okay, let's go. Speaker B 00:10:11.760 - 00:10:12.400 I'll show you. Speaker A 00:10:12.400 - 00:10:40.270 I'm going to show you. Because I'm also a very stubborn person. Luckily, and I succeeded. I chose to succeed. And, yeah, I tried aa. It was very scary because it did remind me of going into, like, the Kingdom hall with, like, the Jehovah's Witnesses. Everybody just in my face, and I'm like, I don't wanna be your best friend. I don't wanna carpool. I don't wanna know you. We know you. Speaker B 00:10:40.270 - 00:10:42.910 Don't call me when you're having issues. I got my own. Speaker A 00:10:42.990 - 00:11:16.690 Holy moly. Yeah, that was hard. The first one was really awesome. I went to AA and it was the middle of a day on, like a Tuesday or something. And it was gentlemen. And they were so sweet and wonderful. And there was a. That was at least 187 years old. And he is just, yeah, welcome. It's so wonderful to see you. And I'm like, okay. But, you know, then it was the big one, like, on the Saturday, and it was scary. It was scary. I know. Heidi got it, though. She understood because she had had all that time with me learning about it. Speaker B 00:11:16.690 - 00:11:25.210 Yeah, I can imagine if you had to do all of that in your religious experience, that didn't turn out well for you. That had. Speaker A 00:11:25.210 - 00:11:27.050 People are scary. They were sc. Speaker B 00:11:27.990 - 00:11:28.270 Yeah. Speaker A 00:11:28.270 - 00:12:41.340 Big time. Big time. I froze up when I walked into that AA meeting. But she knew this is a working program. And the chances of me or anyone just doing it is very slim. It's so slim. If you don't have that Support group. But I met Jonah for the first time and that was it. How do you. How do you go back? How would I go back to that and look at my child and my children now and just be like, meh, I'm just gonna throw that all away. And I will never forget the feeling of the hangovers and just heart and soul and really wanting to go. And like, God, why did I wake up again? How is that possible? I thought I was killing myself. And here I am again, day after day after day after day. It was horrible. So, yeah, I think it all worked out exactly how it should have worked out because. Ta da, here we are, nine years sober. Speaker B 00:12:41.740 - 00:13:01.050 Like, it's not saying what you went through was, like, horrible. And like, everything you went through with why you were coping with all of that was horrible. And then the guilt. So then you would continue drinking. Sorry, I lost my earpiece. Oh, I told you I was having issues with that. Speaker A 00:13:01.370 - 00:13:02.490 You have very small ears. Speaker B 00:13:02.490 - 00:13:04.130 I do have abnormally small ears. Speaker A 00:13:04.130 - 00:13:08.090 It's okay. The holes are big then. Speaker B 00:13:08.810 - 00:13:32.860 Just for you to recognize all of that. But it made you. You're a fabulous mother. You're so present with your kids. You are there. You, you know, you do a lot with them, but you are really good at what, what you. You'll sit them down if you know that they're upset. Speaker A 00:13:32.860 - 00:13:33.420 Oh, yeah. Speaker B 00:13:33.420 - 00:13:56.370 Like, your kids are totally different. You've got Jonah, who, like, never threw a temper tantrum, but you could tell when he would start getting upset. And I remember you as he's been growing. You've sat him down and been like, let's talk about this. What can I. Like, if you don't want to do this, you don't have to do this. And then with Shila, completely different. Speaker A 00:13:57.090 - 00:14:02.050 She is a no limit soldier that will fuck your shit up. Speaker B 00:14:02.050 - 00:14:33.300 I remember she gave you a shiner once while we were on vacation, throwing a temper tantrum. And you were holding her in your lap because she didn't want to sit in the high chair. And of course then she would want to run around the restaurant and you were holding her in your lap and she headbutted me. Head, like, threw her head back. And you just calmly put her on Rick's lap and you just went down like this and took you a couple seconds the next morning. Yeah. Woke up with a shine. I'm like, well, I guess she really gotcha. Speaker A 00:14:33.300 - 00:14:34.020 It was a good one. Speaker B 00:14:34.020 - 00:14:47.130 She really got you. Yeah, but you are, I think because of how we were raised too, where you're throwing a temper Tantrum. Go sit in the corner. Whatever. You will sit there and you'll want to talk about it with her. Like, we're not going to act like this. Speaker A 00:14:47.130 - 00:14:47.570 Correct. Speaker B 00:14:47.570 - 00:15:29.520 You're really a good mom, and you're really good at not repeating patterns. Yeah. What your parents would do with you, I hope. Not that my parents were bad. I do think I had a great childhood. I think my parents. I, in many ways, will try to mimic what my parents did for us. Or like. Like, I try not to be as strict as my parents were. I tried to be more open with my son than my parents were. But I, you know, in many ways want to mimic that. But you also, like, you're different. Speaker A 00:15:29.600 - 00:15:31.040 Parker's so different from you. Speaker B 00:15:31.440 - 00:15:47.070 And you have, like. You are really good at sitting there. Like, that's just one of the things, that many ways that I look up to you in that way. Like, I really said thank you, and thank God you sobered up and became the mom that you are now. They deserve this mom. Speaker A 00:15:47.070 - 00:15:57.150 Right? Right. When I had Jonah, I wasn't sure about having kids ever. I just. I didn't think it was gonna be in the cards for me. Speaker B 00:15:57.310 - 00:16:00.590 Well, with what you grew up with, I'm sure it's daunting. Speaker A 00:16:01.070 - 00:16:37.580 It was very daunting. I didn't want him to ever feel, you know, sort of the mental illness that. Whatever. But when I had him, I. It's that, you know, that mother's. Whatever, instinct, whatever you want to call it. But I was just like, oh, my gosh. I have never, ever, ever known love like this, and that's huge. I thought at that point, I've been in love, and it's been desperate and gnarly and awful and amazing and brutal. I met him and it was calm and it was beautiful, and he was. Speaker B 00:16:37.740 - 00:16:41.260 Wonderful and happy, and he had that unconditional love. Speaker A 00:16:41.340 - 00:17:27.740 And I was like, you are my heart and soul. But then I was messing it up. I was fucking it up, and I was pushing him and pushing him further and further and further away because you can't see this. I don't want you to know me like that. I know you, but you can't know me. Like, a lot of the relationships that I had had in the past, you can't get to know me. I still struggle with that. But to your point, I want to be a far better mom than I was ever, ever, ever shown. It ran into in the family until it ran into me. And I'm changing that. I am completely different from where I came from. And I think that's awesome. I think that's something to be proud. Speaker B 00:17:27.740 - 00:17:58.790 Of when you either want to be just like your parents or nothing like your parents too. In a lot of ways I'm kind of both. But you were really good at recognizing I'm breaking that cycle. I don't want my child to feel anxious like I always did around my mom. And when you were drinking and when you were anxious, when you were hungover, I'm sure. I mean, thank God he was younger at the time, but can you imagine it now? Like, I know him and I know he always wants to make sure you're good too. I mean, he's just a caring soul. Speaker A 00:17:58.950 - 00:17:59.430 Yes. Speaker B 00:17:59.510 - 00:18:05.030 And if he were to feel your anxiety now, can you imagine? Speaker A 00:18:05.030 - 00:18:14.550 Or Shyla, who's who she is just an empath through and through. You get riled, she's gonna show you up. Speaker B 00:18:14.790 - 00:18:15.270 Yeah. Speaker A 00:18:15.430 - 00:18:34.960 So, yeah. But yeah, the hangovers were miserable and I was angry and I was a hitter and I was violent and awful and nasty and crying and he didn't need to see that. He didn't recognize. He didn't need to recognize that or understand that there was something very wrong. Speaker B 00:18:35.040 - 00:18:35.440 Right. Speaker A 00:18:36.400 - 00:18:38.240 So, yeah, I like you. Speaker B 00:18:38.240 - 00:19:11.140 I told, I said I was going to quit drinking many times. Like, you know, I would, in some ways I self sabotage myself. Like, I would wake up bloody and bruised, you know, from the many times falling and just. I actually had a friend of mine say to me once when I walked into work yet again with road rash on my face, she was like, do I need to be concerned? Speaker A 00:19:11.140 - 00:19:11.700 Yep. Speaker B 00:19:12.100 - 00:19:29.630 Is this really Digger hitting you right? And I'm like, holy crap. Oh my God. First of all, that ain't gonna happen. Second of all, if you were to know how awful I was to him last night, like, you would be worried for him. Speaker A 00:19:29.710 - 00:19:30.230 Correct? Speaker B 00:19:30.230 - 00:20:20.140 Like, and in no way, in no way. I remember one time I had no recollection of this. It was the first time I ever fell bad. And my mom saw me and I was lit, lit. And I could not remember the half an hour prior what happened. And she goes, whoa, Heather, what happened? And I said, I don't know, ask Digger. She took that as. And she was like, you know, then the next day she was like, heather, what happened? Cause he's such a kind soul too. He would never. Pretty much got raised by a single mom since his dad, like his parents got divorced when he was young, so he would never treat a woman like that. Speaker A 00:20:20.300 - 00:20:20.900 Very sweet. Speaker B 00:20:20.900 - 00:20:27.980 And so the fact that she actually had doubts. And then my friend had Doubts. What was I doing to this poor man? Speaker A 00:20:28.540 - 00:20:31.380 You had to blame something. You had to blame something. Speaker B 00:20:31.380 - 00:20:58.430 I just couldn't remember. I was like, I don't know, ask Stigger. And they took that. As to that. And so the multiple times I would say, I'm done drinking, I'm done drinking, I'm done drinking. And then for it to actually stick. I think I was more proud of myself than probably other people were. But I just remember when I finally told my family the reason why, as we discussed last time. Speaker A 00:20:58.430 - 00:20:58.990 Correct. Speaker B 00:20:59.230 - 00:21:21.090 And I think then they actually got it. Like, this is gonna be the change. And now in a couple months, it'll be four years for me. And Christmas time was Digger's two year anniversary of not drinking. And he could handle his liquor much better than me. Speaker A 00:21:21.090 - 00:21:21.970 Yeah, for sure. Speaker B 00:21:22.130 - 00:21:48.880 He was definitely like me, social drinker. We never wanted, like, you get a little buzz. You never wanted the party to stop until he knew how, like, he had a couple, like, where he was just really gone and whatever. And he knew I was nervous. He didn't like me being nervous. So he was like, I'm gonna take a page out of your book. And I was like, no, no, no, no, you're not doing it because you think I want you to quit. Speaker A 00:21:48.880 - 00:21:49.320 You need your own. Speaker B 00:21:49.320 - 00:22:23.940 I am not telling you to quit because then you'll resent me and whatever. But then he's like, he is now so happy he did it. He's still in the phase, though, like I was for a while. And I rem. Like, you don't wanna go to a bar because you get like. I remember being so anxious anytime I would be around people that were drinking, because I was like, the drama's gonna start. The drama's gonna start. Most of the time the drama was me. People can handle their alcohol better than I could. Speaker A 00:22:23.940 - 00:22:25.460 Isn't that funny? Whoopsies. Speaker B 00:22:25.460 - 00:22:45.040 Yes. But then, like, so the first time that we were around people that were really drinking, we were at my son's birthday party, which he wanted to be like, this camping weekend. So I was like, hey, we're gonna. The party's gonna be at this time come. Or if you wanna camp, we're gonna do this. Speaker A 00:22:45.120 - 00:22:45.600 Yeah. Speaker B 00:22:45.760 - 00:22:53.280 And do you remember one of the moms got so wasted that she got in a fight with security? Speaker A 00:22:54.080 - 00:22:55.920 She got in a fight with a child. Speaker B 00:22:56.240 - 00:22:56.800 Yes. Speaker A 00:22:57.200 - 00:22:57.840 Whoops. Speaker B 00:22:57.840 - 00:22:58.360 Yes. Speaker A 00:22:58.360 - 00:23:03.250 Who was sort of badmouth. And her kid. And her kid got in the scuffle. Speaker B 00:23:03.250 - 00:23:03.650 Yeah. Speaker A 00:23:03.650 - 00:23:10.170 She just was like, whammo. And security and yelling and screaming. And we're like, yes. Speaker B 00:23:10.330 - 00:23:35.450 And I remember her son telling me, I hate it when my mom drinks because she gets like this. And I'm like, that to me, spoke volumes. And I was like, oh, my God. I hope that Parker doesn't have any recollections because we used to love to camp. I now realized I don't want to camp if I'm not drinking. It's just dirty. Speaker A 00:23:36.650 - 00:23:37.690 We liked the party. Speaker B 00:23:37.850 - 00:23:38.890 Yeah. Yes. Speaker A 00:23:38.970 - 00:23:41.370 You can drink at 7am when you're camping. Speaker B 00:23:41.370 - 00:23:42.490 Right? That's what they do. Speaker A 00:23:42.490 - 00:23:45.050 And it doesn't matter. I'm not judged for that. Speaker B 00:23:45.130 - 00:24:25.250 But so, like, I remember being like, the things my poor child has seen. And I have recently asked him. I got up the courage. I had been so scared, scared to ask him. We were talking. My nephew had turned 21, and Parker said, oh, he can drink now. And I said, yeah, he can. I said, you know, do you think you'll drink when you're 21? He's like, oh, no. And I'm like, parker, I want you to know that it's okay if you decide to when you're 21. That is your right. You can. If you can do it responsibly. I don't know if you can do it responsibly. Speaker A 00:24:25.720 - 00:24:26.640 There's a right and a wrong, and. Speaker B 00:24:26.640 - 00:25:15.340 Now there's Ubers and all of that. Now if you can do it responsibly, go right ahead. However, just know that because dad and I had an issue with it, that means that you have to be really, like, careful when you do it. And know in the back of your mind. My parents had issues. Because that is hereditary, correct? That addiction. It could be any little thing. Gambling, food, whatever. And Tigger and I both had food addiction and really alcohol addiction. So that is. You just have to keep that in the back of your mind. And if you feel you can do it responsibly, have at it. It is your right. But do know that if I think that there's ever a problem, I'm gonna say something to you. Speaker A 00:25:15.580 - 00:25:16.140 Correct. Speaker B 00:25:16.220 - 00:25:30.190 And there have been times where I have brought it up. Like, it's so hard now. Like, when you try to bring it up to somebody that you think might have a problem, I'm not judged. Like, they look. Oh. Cause you're sober now, you can tell me that. Speaker A 00:25:30.430 - 00:25:32.270 Fuck yeah. Like, yes. Speaker B 00:25:32.270 - 00:25:40.350 I'm not judging you at all. Yeah. But I just don't want you to see where I got to. And I think that's the whole. Speaker A 00:25:40.350 - 00:25:52.170 You have the opportunity to be better, exponentially better. Happier healthier the best version of you. And the only thing that. The only thing that's getting in your way is you. Speaker B 00:25:52.250 - 00:25:52.810 Yeah. Speaker A 00:25:52.810 - 00:26:17.830 I didn't know I was an alcoholic until I stopped drinking. I quoted that from Steve O. From Jackass. Love that. I didn't know I was until I hung it up and I was like, holy cow, I miss my best friend. But that is why I'm judging you. Maybe that's not the right word, but, yeah, I'm judging you because you can do better. You will be better. If I didn't care, I wouldn't say anything. Speaker B 00:26:17.830 - 00:26:18.390 Yep. Speaker A 00:26:19.910 - 00:26:21.430 All right, here we are. Speaker B 00:26:21.670 - 00:26:36.630 Oh, I wanted to mention, too. Yes, audience, the two people watching us or listening. If you have any questions for us, email us and we're gonna, like, address questions in a future episode. Speaker A 00:26:36.790 - 00:26:42.230 Anything else you want to hear more about? Anything you want to. I don't even know. Questions about what has happened. Speaker B 00:26:42.310 - 00:26:48.690 Yeah. Or if you have talked about, like. Yeah. What we went through, what you've gone through. Share with your stories. Speaker A 00:26:48.770 - 00:26:49.410 I love it. Speaker B 00:26:49.570 - 00:26:54.130 Yeah. Let us know and we will share those on a future episode. Speaker A 00:26:54.130 - 00:26:54.850 Absolutely. Speaker B 00:26:54.930 - 00:26:56.290 All right, see you around. Speaker A 00:26:57.490 - 00:26:57.970 Peace. Speaker B 00:26:57.970 - 00:26:59.050 Why do I always do that? Speaker A 00:26:59.050 - 00:26:59.650 I don't know. Speaker B 00:26:59.650 - 00:27:03.610 Yeah. Okay. Bye. Bye. Bye. Speaker A 00:27:03.610 - 00:27:14.760 Bye. Bye. Thanks for letting us tickle your ear hole and not turning us off after the first 30 seconds. Don't forget to subscribe and join our email list to get in on the action.
